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Old 12-10-2017, 11:13
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Joe, they do show silt and weed.
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Old 12-10-2017, 13:52
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Thanks Anthony
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Old 12-10-2017, 20:53
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As some of you will know, I've been toying with the idea of purchasing a Deeper Smart Fish-Finder. In fact, I've borrowed one off a mate and have been fascinated by the information it gives. However, I have a problem. On a recent visit to a river stretch I am unfamiliar with, I used my watercraft and picked a swim. Before fishing I cast out the Deeper and discovered a really impressive drop-off about 40 yds downstream. This looked too good an opportunity to miss so I shifted all my gear to the peg below it so I could upstream ledger the spot. Despite giving it a real go, I managed only one small bream.

Now, there could be many reasons for this such as better features nearby which I was unaware of. But it had me thinking: if a feature becomes well-known and heavily fished, does this pressure lead to a change in fish behaviour i.e. do they avoid this area? I've read about this happening when anglers fish directly into holding areas such as snags etc, but is this the case for those locations we identify as feeding areas? If you take this to its conclusion, will the increased use of technology to find the theoretical hotspots and the sharing of this information have a detrimental impact (from an angler's perspective) on the numbers of fish in such a swim? We are of course talking long-term here, but if the fish move from a heavily fished raft feature (because they don't feel safe) why could the same not happen in a regular feeding spot?

On a different note, when fishing a big, relatively featureless-looking river, if I only target the ones identified by a fishfinder, am I restricting my chances of success or improving them?


Is this a wind up? How the Hell would anyone know? Are you suggesting we should take out the gut feeling we have in trying to locate fish in favour of this contraption, are we to order up doubles like a fast food... and if you actually can identify the Barbel and you were able to catch it would you feel as pleased as opposed to just ANGLING for it. And would you feel even more frustrated if you blanked after spotting all those fish that you couldn't catch?

I don't know about you, but for me the magic is NOT knowing, it's why I do it, but then again in this must have society, I suppose the temptation is there
...but you posed the question would it be detrimental to your chances? Frankly I care not about your chances, but it would be detrimental to the Barbels, should we pursue them to these extremes ?
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Old 12-10-2017, 20:58
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Hi Anthony, I'd have thought however we come by the knowledge (watercraft/happenstance-luck/technology) any 'action' by the angler based on that knowledge will result in a 'reaction' by our prey, the barbel. That is..if an area is pressured then that area will eventually be abandoned by the fish.
On your last point/question...I believe that luck plays a lesser or greater part in almost every success on the banks, so having a closed mind will tend to limit our chances of 'getting lucky'.
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Far kinder reply Terry, but alludes to the same thing.
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Old 13-10-2017, 00:14
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and if you actually can identify the Barbel and you were able to catch it....
Neil, you posted your feelings about the technology on the other thread I started and if you'd read it properly, you would have noticed that I stated that I had no intention of using it as a Fish Finder. It was always as a more efficient way of discovering submerged features.

The question I posed was not expecting a definitive answer, for as you bluntly put it, how the hell indeed are we to know? It was more philosophical in its nature, because there comes a point in a pastime such as angling where there is a paradigm shift because, in this case, of technological advances. I feel we may be on the cusp of such a change because wherever we look, new ideas are being developed which are being taken on board by an ever-increasing number of participants. Baitboats, sonar devices, underwater cameras....what next to improve our chances of success? If the lake carp are all in an island margin 150yds away and I can't cast to them, no amount of watercraft/knowledge etc. is going to be able to help me present a bait at that distance. So, it's a case of necessity...a bait boat is required and anglers use them. If I can wade a stretch of river (without disturbing other anglers) I can find the features but once it gets over a certain depth or power of flow, that becomes impossible. A sonar device is the answer to the problem.

Perhaps you fish gin-clear rivers where you can sight-fish and in some circumstances target the bigger ones. Does that make the capture any less relevant because you picked it out? I don't have that luxury in the rivers I visit, so I can be fishing in a stretch where there are no fish for a hundred yards in either direction, despite my watercraft suggesting otherwise. Blankety blanks get a bit tedious for some. So, a quick run through a stretch with a sonar device may alert me to the odd drop-off and theoretically improve my chances.

Maybe someone will invent a sonar device that doubles up as a ledger and gives a signal to tell the angler if there are fish in the vicinity. Some would definitely purchase it.

Finally, and this was the main reason I posted in the first place, I wanted other peoples' opinions because I still needed convincing one way or the other. As I posted previously, I used the Deeper to find a significant drop-off on a big river and fished it for six hours, only to catch a small bream. What I didn't say was what I caught on the other rod cast out on a hunch: in the opposite direction, to a spot where I hadn't checked for features.
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Old 13-10-2017, 12:26
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Hi Anthony
You make some excellent points
My apologies as I posted my opinion on a previous thread and missed that you were starting a new one.
In summary and simply my opinion having owned a Deeper Pro for the last 12 months
They are very useful for feature finding. I bought mine specifically to help me identify snags in a very snaggy spate river. I discovered that some swims that historically had been big fish swims, were absolutely festooned with snags. So you make a decision - accept the snags provide a haven for fish, but what is the likliehood of actually landing a fish, that's assuming you avoid the snags in the first place. My judgement and that of my friends is on the whole avoid the swim for the welfare of the fish. Unfortunately we don't own rights to both banks and in the summer an angler on the opposite bank fished this swim - result one nice barbel strung up dead in the snag-fest. I also caught a large pike one peg downstream that was starving with 2 traces deep in it's gut. Might be conicidence but don't think so, and supports our decision
They are useful in close season for mapping said snags, depth changes,hollows, shelves etc. On our river these constantly shift so what was relevant in April might be very different today after some floods.
I found a huge deep stretch of the river, it screamed big fish but I have yet to have a pull from it. On the stretches I fish the fish are invariably where the bait goes in and some of the swims are incredibly featureless on the Deeper.
If I was visiting for the first time and used the Deeper , I would almost certainly miss out a lot of the top producing pegs based on underwater topography alone. The Deeper hasn't changed how I fish or where I fish.
And we all know the fish are where they are, not always where we want or expect them to be

I tend to ignore the fish finding function, unless I'm piking and I see a shoal.

They drain your phone battery and can be temperemental with connecting

You need a beefy rod to chuck one across the river - I use an old pike rod and 80lb braid as don't want to lose it in a willow, so more gear to cart around

I haven't used it for months but have had a reasonable season to date.
In principle they are a great idea and do have some uses, as for catching more fish, in my personal opinion, save your money.
Quite a few people have had a play with my Deepr but none have bothered to go and get one, which says a lot.
Best thing I invested in this year was 1 hour of my fishing time sat with a senior angler watching him feeder fishing and asking questions - never looked back and that has caught me a load more fish.
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