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Old 24-07-2012, 21:04
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I only found the magazine last year and subscribed as its superior to any other on the market , you wanna moan about article repetition then the mail and times are the places to look
Dont look at me I aint got a clue ! !
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Old 24-07-2012, 21:24
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Its by far the best mag available for me. Yes you have bill and his Mrs, and his son called spro. But then you have Mick Wood, Stef Horak, Lee swords, Steve pope, Tony Miles etc. the majority of their work is unbiased, informative and easy reading. yes you do get the plugging but I just breeze past that as the info is far greater. You could do a lot worse but culd you do better??
Don't ask me where I caught them.

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Old 24-07-2012, 23:52
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specialist angler no 1 | eBay
those were the days
More tacklebox and less Xbox.
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Old 25-07-2012, 07:29
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There are many magazines floundering over a spectrum of subject matter. One of the main reasons for this is the way that they have traditionally treated authors and photographers who submit material for publication and their working practices.

For example, if you or I submitted an article on autumn barbel it would have to be received by the editor in time for the autumn edition which is printed some time around June. That means we would have to submit the article 9 month's after it was compiled if photographs were used to illustrate it. Same with winter grayling; it would have to be submitted by September. Once the article is published there is a three month wait for payment. In real terms this means that authors compling articles are waiting over twelve month's for payment with no guarantee in the months between submission and the edition being printed that the article will actually be used. Often editors change their minds at the last minute and articles requested or even commissioned do not find their way into print and therefore no fee would be received even though expenses might have been incurred.

The fees paid for a two page article with photos might range from 150 to 300 dependent on the magazine. Not a lot considering that to earn that every month you would have to put in a lot of work in locating the venues, setting up the session and all the editing of photos and text. Many people can write sufficiently well to compile an article and many people can take photos sufficiently well to illustrate an article. There aren't that many people who can do both, and come up with and compile a new article every month. So, in many cases the fees are split between two people. Financially it is not worth the effort.

Product placement is a sad reality of today's reading whether it be golf, cycling or fishing. If authors are not prepared to include products from manufacturers who support the publication, they are unlikely to have their articles accepted in many cases.

While ever this system of paying subscribing authors is unchanged the quality of magazines will continue to decline in my opinion. Magazine editors need to recruit and reward talent, not pander to advertisers.
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Old 25-07-2012, 07:32
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Clive. Have to agree with your views totally.

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Old 25-07-2012, 08:34
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In terms of product placement, I do recall one article in Coarse Fisherman where a 6 page feature appeared covering a good catch of barbel from a particular stretch of river. The article was full of products from one particular tackle and bait manufacturer and included statements from the author such as ‘these new rods are better than my beloved Harrisons’

Problem was the stretch of river on which the article was based, was held by an angling club with a strict publicity ban. The author was hauled before the club committee to explain his actions, and in his defence stated that he was incapable of writing such an article and that he merely provided the photos from his session. The tackle companies marketing department took his photos and wrote the whole article in his name!

Unbiased and independent angling writing is becoming a thing of the past in the printed press, and the best source of such articles in now most likely found on internet blogs, but even here product placement can still be found.
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Old 25-07-2012, 09:24
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In response to Neil's post; I once agreed to do the photography for a trout fishing article that featured some flies that were being imported by a mate of mine. The article was to be written by a well-known and regular author in such circles (no name, no pack drill ). My job was merely to record some images as the writer's regular photographer was unavailable. When I saw the finished article it bore no resemblance whatsoever to how I recalled the day's events. It was more like a chapter from Mr. Crabtree Goes Fishing.

I just wish all my days were like that.
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Old 25-07-2012, 10:11
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Sounds like folk wanting to make money from displaying big fish or big boobs get pretty much the same services rendered, in a manner of speaking....though judging by the keenness of a certain well known 'glamour model'....they seem to enjoy the experience much more

Cheers, Dave
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Old 25-07-2012, 10:32
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When I was a lad, fishing for roach and perch and dace, and sometimes even a bream from rivers, I had to learn from trial and error (mostly error) and grumpy old fisherman sat on their wobbly wicker baskets. No real media to assist me. And I am only 47. The fishing books unwrapped at Christmas or Birthdays were totally absorbing and these plus Angling Times where all I really had to guide me. But now I have Google and YouTube and my iPad. Anything I need to buy or understand is there. Experienced anglers have their sites and their blogs and their tweets. I can go onto YouTube and watch someone tie a rig and also someone riding a bike naked into the Thames. The demise and changing face of publications is no surprise and ultimately they will die out. I still like to real an actual magazine- turning the corner on a page of genuine relevance and interest (but I could have just bookmarked it of course). Sad but a natural evolution.
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Old 25-07-2012, 11:45
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I have bought CAT since the first one came out and have subscibed to it for a long time so feel I am well placed to say that this month's issue is the worst one since the magazines inception although the downward spiral has been going on for a while now

The articles are absolutely awful there is nothing interesting to read, that is the problem.

How Bill Rushmer's articles and his pictures of a cooked breakfast have any place in a specialist magazine are beyond me!!!

Product placement happens everywhere so I don't mind that, I can make my own mind up reagarding what to use.

I won't be renewing my subscription once this one run's out!!


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